Clenbutanol, Sustanon 250, or Dianabol

[TylerDurden]

Clenbutanol, Sustanon 250, or Dianabol, which is better for a beginner. I’ve been looking for a relatively cheep roid that produces results in mass. I’ve found these three the best for money. They all have good and bad properties. Just wanted to her it from the mouth of an experienced user. (Which is the best for the money and used alone)

[Adam MacKinnon]

First off those arent prohormones. Second beginner shouldn't even be taken steroids

[TylerDurden]

oh! OK thanks for you help! that was the most helpful information I’ve received yet. Thanks again!

[YatesNightBlade]

:rolleyes:

[Severed Ties]

Sustanon and Dianabol anabolic steroids Clen is a Beta2-antagonist used for asthma so it's used for fatloss not as an anabolic.

Sustanon is a blend of Testosterones which can make for a good cycle if anti-estrogens are used to prevent gyno and some propecia to slow hairloss.

Dianabol is very poor when used by itself but adds nicely to sustanon. You will need an anti-estrogen as well with it and acne and hairloss are very common with it.

You need clomid post cycle so just buy extra and use it straight through your cycle.

ST

[TylerDurden]

thanks, for the info

[Pup]

I'll pretty much go along with what ST said, another thing, clen isn't cheap. A great fat burner is the ECA or NYC stack. If you are doing a cutting cycle, i.e-winny/eq/deca then you may want to try t3, its severly catabolic and will mess with your thyroid, so be careful with that stuff. A good mass cycle is deca/d-bol/sust, that's if you want to gain a lot of size and don't care about water retention. If you are looking for more of a lean mass cycle, winny/eq/fina is a good choice, fina can be liver toxic and your balls will shrink will you are on, but the results are quite good. I'm not recommending you do any of this, but its better to be informed.

[Belial]

Originally posted by just_a_pup
fina can be liver toxic

I still haven't seen evidence for this....

[Severed Ties]

Belial is correct, it's another old myth that just won't die....although the myth used to be that Tren was kidney toxic. I'd imagine since some meatheads don't know the difference between their kidneys and liver they just started confusing the two.

Tren is no more toxic than any other non 17AA steroid. It's extremely potent with the only main problems being that it's very harsh on the HPTA and the hairline. That and the frequent injections.

ST

[Pup]

Thnx for the clarification ST, just another fallacy that i've read i guess.

[TylerDurden]

I don't want to cut, and I want to keep what I gain. I want mass but I want to stay defined (not like the guys you see on the worlds strongest contests). Anyway, I don't want to drop alot on my first cycle so I'm probably looking for something that doesn't exist. I'm getting alot of info and learning more obviously those were bad newbie decisions. But I appreciate you guys who are not criticizing me and helping out.


I assume your being good and not asking for sources so please what your wording -ST

[Severed Ties]

No Prob Pup, that fallacy is all over the sites/boards even some books. Like the villan at the end of the movie, it just won't die.

When it comes to a cycle you can't be cheap. Plan to buy good clean gear and not cheap crap that stands to give you an infection. You will need plenty of clomid, be sure to have. Depending on the steroid used you may want/need arimidex/HCG/finastride. If you want to avoid side effects just hold off on your cycle until you can afford everything. It's only 8 weeks out of the year so hold off until you can make the absolute most out of the time you are on. Have all your gear, plan your diet and training, stay away from sick people, and don't start a cycle if you will be traveling, working overtime, or will be away from the gym for a week.

Also keep in mind gear prices depend on the number of sources they pass through. What costs certain people $400-$500 will run most people over a grand.

ST

[Tadger]

Originally posted by just_a_pup
fina can be liver toxic

I like the way ST put that. I haven't seen evidence that fina is any more toxic than say, nandrolones or boldenones... but that's not to say that it won't put some more strain on your liver. I've kinda gotten the impression that analogues of the 19nortestosterone molecule are a bit harsher on the body than test.

Anyway, what I was really gonna ask is... where did that whole kidney toxic thing come from? I remember someone a while back explained that there used to be something in the old parabolan(??) that either aided solubility in oil or was a preservative or something... either way, that was the cause of the kidney strain. He said that the later versions had removed this additive. The old profiles for this product were then just moved over to cover fina as well... and that was the basis for the whole kidney toxicity thing. Now I haven't heard this anywhere else... but he actually named what the stuff was and when they changed the formula and all that... sounded quite convincing. I can't find that post again. I think it was on the finaboard and the search feature is horrible there. Anyway... anyone else heard this or know if there's any truth to it?

[Belial]

hehe. You mean the search feature is nonexistent there. Anyway, that sounds like a plausible explanation. I'm curious about it, too, because there's nothing in the pharmacology of trenbolone that would seem to indicated greater or lesser liver toxicity than other, similar compounds.

[mojozone]

Forget clen its not an AS...if you were to take one alone sust would be it hands down. you'll get good gains with fewer sides than if u were to do a dbol only cycle. good luck

[Tadger]

sust is overrated.

[mojozone]

Thats because most people dont use it right...they don't inject frequent enough to get the blood level steady. once or twice a week isn't enough.

[Tadger]

Originally posted by mojozone
Thats because most people dont use it right...they don't inject frequent enough to get the blood level steady. once or twice a week isn't enough.

Hey hey! Finally someone is thinkin along my lines! :)

I've always been of the opinion that sust is best used when you're gonna go 750+mg/week. Any lower than that... just get yourself some enanthate or cyp.

[mojozone]

AMEN Brutha...:cool:

[Reinier]

"Also keep in mind gear prices depend on the number of sources they pass through. What costs certain people $400-$500 will run most people over a grand. "

I was just thinking about that, ill probably not so a cycle for a looong time if ever but how do you get good contacts? how do you know they dont **** you over and how do you know their price is reasonable without checking out a whole bunch of sources?

[blacksuperman]

More than 4 weeks on d-bol is damn near ******ed! I am sure the liver damage is pretty bad from it but the back pain from all the water is damn near unbareable.and clen and d-bol are like snow and sun dont mix.