Recreational Drug Use

[Shocker]

Does anyone have any information on the effects of recreational stimulants for muscle mass. I know that they strip fat, and I know plenty of girls who use party drugs like speed and ecstacy to keep the weight off. I guess that this has a lot to do with water loss - what about actual muscle wastage?

If anyone would like to add any other comments in too then I would be interested to hear your stories of abuse.

:angel:

[Tryska]

what recreational stimulants in particular?

[Shocker]

well these may include things like cocaine, speed, ecstacy, lsd, and so on - I think you get the idea?

[Tryska]

reason i ask is they all are a bit different...

if your talking about methamphetamines (ie speed, crystal, i guess acid and x, since that's what keeps you up) then stay the ***** away from them. well i suppose acid and x are okay...but they aren't exactly gonna help your training, cuz you can figure 2 days recovery.

if your talking about coke (narcotic stimulant) - well stay the ***** away from that too, and give me your money instead.

[Tryska]

oh and btw...you ever seen a true speed freak? they aren't exactly buff. same goes for cokeheads. yeah muscle wasting is an issue.

[syntekz]

recreational drug use, especially acid, X, cooke, etc etc do NOT mix with bodybuilding.

[Shocker]

Yes, I know... obviously there is a great loss of muscle and fat. I guess that I should have been more clear: What I am interested in is what is going on here? Can anyone explain the process of such a dramatic loss?

[PowerManDL]

You buy drugs. You can't afford groceries. You don't eat.

[Daniel Clough]

you also have to think of the effect they have on your life that will effect bodybuilding strongly.
The psychological effecst are probably just as important as the scientific. The sort of lifestyle doing these drugs infuences you to live.

[Tryska]

dude....they are stimulants.....

methamphetamines...such as speed, chrystal, the stuff in x and acid that keeps you up all night basically stimulate the hell out of your system. they are uppers. I guess coke can be counted as well, but it's a tad bit different. But they all stimulate the nervous system to make your heart beat faster, your blood pressure higher, and basically they are like taking thermogenics to a whole new level.

so you are constantly on uppers that are increasing your metabolism, plus your appetitie uis shot, because that's been suppressed by the stimulant.....and you've got indiscriminate weight-loss.

[Reinier]

this guy was on great doses of speed and distilled alcohol every single day for almost 35 years straight

http://www.fotograaf.com/geniets/brood.jpg

hes not all that skinny there, he started losing ****loads of weight when he stopped using... is that strange?

he jumped off the hilton hotel last summer btw...

[Delphi]

Second pic looks like Lyle Lovett. Julia Roberts will do that to a fella.

[Reinier]

well all i know is hes like the worlds biggest dopehead hands down, and he didn`t get skinny till he quit it.

and he made some ace music, but thats not relevant

[PowerManDL]

Stimulants like that also keep the adrenal glands overactive as well. Too much of that for too long, and general adaptation syndrome kicks in-- basically, "overtraining" from your normal daily activites.

[Podium Kreatin]

all drugs, even eca, will do something bad tht will mess up ur hormone systems, and esp for those powerful stimulants, u will lose a lot of muscle. even if they don't harm ur bodybuilding goals, it's not wise to do drugs like those.

[syntekz]

Originally posted by Reinier
well all i know is hes like the worlds biggest dopehead hands down, and he didn`t get skinny till he quit it.

Looks pretty damn skinny to me.

[Reinier]

well in the first pic, he may be skinny for bb standards, but for normal peeps, thats not skinny.

[Shocker]

Who has some first hand experience?

I actually know what these things do to you...sorry if I sounded a bit niave to begin with - I sure aint.

I just really think that it is interesting. Particularly - who has been out clubbing lately to techno events?

A lot of bodybuilders use this sort of stuff, just look around.

I know it isn't healthy but how about if I prescribed some meth to a young guy that was a bit overweight - (similar things are commonly medically prescribed) - go out partying for a few weeks etc.

Have you seen how much weight you lose? *****!

(alot of muscle too - )

sorry guys, I like to throw spanners in works and I know that the serious people would never do this sort of thing but...

i really think that most young peple do this sort of thing these days and perhaps this sort of discussion could benefit some of the younger guys in the forum. ( I wonder if I would get a different response in the Anabolic zone? )

Anywayz, I know from a couple of previous threads that the majority of people here seem to be under 25.

From the people that have been there - what can you contribute to this thread other than dont do it (- thanks 10th grade teacher ) tuttut

[Shocker]

I suggest that some good contributions might be like survival tips - cause in my experience we are talking about outside pressures and party lifestyle. Sometimes not doing this is not an option.

I mean lets say that you end up taking ecstacy in a club when you get really pissed and someone practically shoves it in ur mouth and they are like c'mon, we are all expecting you to not kill the party for us...

I remember this one time that I went out speeding and on ecstacy and was really depleted when I was lying around at home in the morning - anyways I thought that some protien shakes would put back in me some of what was taken out and no ***** it almost killed me. My heart almost stopped and I collapsed on the ground twice.

I think that it was because of the dehydration that these drinks cause. You need to drink a lot of water when you are drinking heaps of protein shakes.

That's what I think anyway - here's another tip for those that take the drugs to enhance the party (not go to the party to enhance the drugs), then we'll see if other members of the forum can take over in providing some constuctive advice.

Let's say that you have been out on a lot of chemicals and you go to slepp then wake up looking pretty good actually (like really cut up because of the water loss mainly). DO NOT go to the gym without resting for a couple of days at least.

Do not go to the gym whilst you are still high! I have *****ed some joints doing this because I was really dehydrated and I think that the joints and tendons seem to be easily aggravated this way.

**I guess quite a few people think "this dude is stoopid for doing any of this stuff in the first place". However, I would like to explain tht I have raised myself since I was 15, so I have made plenty of mistakes along the way - and one of the things that helped me stay on the straight and narrow was my enthusiasm for triaining and looking primed. So dont be critical of others in the same way if you are tempted to start on that path...

thanks

[Reinier]

when taking XTC you need to make sure its the real stuff, especially in the states theres a lot of fakes around and they can get you the most serious hangovers ever.

I dont know much about the drug situation abroad but here in holland, pretty much all the young peeps smoke some weed now and then and some all the time, since its cheap and legally available. same with shrooms, xtc etc.
I think about 50% of my friends smokes at least twice a week, the others on occasion and few never like me.

all ive seen is some folks who spend all their money on it, some who get mentally addicted to em and some who think they are worse than they are. i myself am n-o-t trying any.

[Tryska]

ooohhh...*****in a.

why would you want other opeople's tips? so you can live vicariously?

i think it would be wise enough to sya, that those who responded by saying don't do it, it doesn't help, have sufficient experience to speak from.

i know i did. i sure as hell am not gonna giv you "war stories" though. why glorify something that's not glorious to begin with?