Ephedra

[ironworker]

I seen a post earlier today where someone pointed out a site where I could get ephedra and now after 2 hours of searchin I am asking for your help to locate that site again.

any help would be appreciated

Rich

[jazer80]

i believe you can get ephedra at any gas station, usually around ten bucks for 100 20mg pills

[ironworker]

Ephedrine is at gas stations?, maybe I am confusing the difference between ephedrine and ephedra.
These are for my wife who has just undergone here 5th knee surgery in 4 years and cant get to thje gym to work out.

any additional help would be greatly appreciated


Rich

[Sidior]

i believe you can get ephedra at any gas station, usually around ten bucks for 100 20mg pills

Im pretty positive it is illegal in the states, and only the 8mg are available legally in Canada.... Also if its for your wife to keep some weight off because she can't workout, dont use it.... It is meant to be used as a supplement to go along with cutting after proper diet and an exercise routine have stopped working

[Pitfan04]

www.1fast400.com MegaPro Vasapro Ephedrine HCL. Ephedra is illegal in the states, but Ephedrine is not. Does same thing, but Ephedra was used as fat burner and Ephedrine was used as a bronchilator. It still works the same, and comes in bottles of 48 at 25mg a pill.

[ironworker]

Thank you for your comments and help.

Rich

[jazer80]

thanks for clarification pitfan, i always mix the two up.

sidior, why on earth would you say that ephedra/ine isn't useful until you can't lose more weight? i know from my close friend's experiences that it's great even at the beginning of a diet. maybe you mean it's better to do it on your own to learn? i'm kind of confused, your comment seems to me to be the same as 'don't take creatine until you've plateaud w/ great diet/training'.

[Sidior]

I agree it can be used throughout a diet (I plan on doing it).....but it is not as important as actually changing diet and exercising....I don't like when people belive that just by taking some random drug they can lose weight, its just stupid....but ya I agree it can be used throught a diet not just at a plateau

[jazer80]

it's just that i get the impression that you said that to get people not to depend on it. your intentions were good, but the method is bad. just say what you mean, i believe, and now i know you do as well, that ephedra can be useful from the start. i know that there's tons of people out there that want to have a pill do stuff but don't do their end of the bargain by eating properly and training (i work at gnc, so i see these types of people five days every week, so believe me i know this). it's not good to say that it shouldn't be used until later tho, because that's not the case. as long as someone has everything else in line, it can still be helpful from the getgo.

(i hope this didn't come across as me trying to flame you or insult. i do the same myself sometimes w/o realizing it til i reread a post, and realize i'm trying to get a point across in the wrong way. if you say it can be used from teh beginning w/ good diet/exercise, and people think they can take just the pill, screw them. they didn't listen, so their results will suck. did all of this come across properly?)

[Sidior]

ya no worries bud, Im glad your corrected my confusing post

[jazer80]

well it's saturday night, so i was making a blunt run, and noticed ephedra at the counter. after all this talk i figured i'd grab some, but i get home and realized it's 25mg of ephedrine / 200mg of gualifenesin per serving, so now i gotta go find out what the hell that is. anyways it was $4.99 for 36 pills fyi, and i'm in MA

[waynis]

you've got a pm.

[Pitfan04]

Your not going to find Ephedrine with the gualifenesin in it. It is only sold as a bronchilator, so your going to get gualifenesin in it. Get some caffiene tabs, if you get from the internet, Prolabs Caffiene would be your best shot. If not, go to a drug store and get No Doz! They both have 200mg of caffiene. Take 25mg of Ephedrine and 200mg of caffiene 2-3 times a day with a good solid diet and exercise...WORKS WONDERS!!!! If you have problems finding the ephedrine and dont have the internet source, you can also go to a drug store and get a product called Broncaid. It has 25mg of Ephedrine also....

[jazer80]

you've got a pm.
are you talking to me, cuz i don't

[waynis]

are you talking to me, cuz i don't

nope the thread starter. lol

[shansen008]

I agree it can be used throughout a diet (I plan on doing it).....but it is not as important as actually changing diet and exercising....I don't like when people belive that just by taking some random drug they can lose weight, its just stupid....but ya I agree it can be used throught a diet not just at a plateau

Everythign else being equal, she will burn more calories with a thermogenic than without one....draw your conclusions from that point on.
:study:

[Shao-LiN]

www.1fast400.com MegaPro Vasapro Ephedrine HCL. Ephedra is illegal in the states, but Ephedrine is not. Does same thing, but Ephedra was used as fat burner and Ephedrine was used as a bronchilator. It still works the same, and comes in bottles of 48 at 25mg a pill.

Just to elaborate further, ephedrine is the effective alkaloid in ephedra. If you notice from old ephedra diet supplements, it says something to the effect of "standardized to 20 mg of ephedrine". Works the same because it is essentially what you wanted out of ephedra to begin with.

[korexite]

vasopro sucks. There are a lot of issues with guaifenesin, mostly related to the fact that its a muscle relaxant- which is not a good thing to take before you exercise as it increases potential for injury.

use pure ephedrine, there are a lot of canadian sites that sell it.

[Built]

Yep. Pure ephedrine HCL is the best anyway. I don't use herbals if I can avoid them - too many variables.

If your wife can't do any exercise, why not just have her do low-carb for a while? I never gain weight on low carb, and it KILLS your appetite if you go high fat (50-65% of cals from fat).

(Lousy for bulking and hard cutting, but works great for appetite suppression and weight maintenance.)

[Shao-LiN]

vasopro sucks. There are a lot of issues with guaifenesin, mostly related to the fact that its a muscle relaxant- which is not a good thing to take before you exercise as it increases potential for injury.

use pure ephedrine, there are a lot of canadian sites that sell it.

It may not be the most ideal, but it definately does not suck. In terms of fat loss/thermogenic capabilities, there is nothing wrong with it.

[ironworker]

I was able to order the pure Ephedrine from one of the sites you all recommended.

Thanks for the help ;-)

[SweetDeals]

If you ever have trouble finding ephedrine try a Canadian website...it is readily available here. Try arrestmeplease.com just remember it's in Canadian dollars and actually works out to be cheaper since US is worth more.

[korexite]

It may not be the most ideal, but it definately does not suck. In terms of fat loss/thermogenic capabilities, there is nothing wrong with it.


I disagree. guaifenesin is not harmless, since it is a muscle relaxent as well as an adrenergic blocker its much more likely to cause you to have muscle tears and strains, especially if you take it before training which most people do.

[Shao-LiN]

Please note that I mentioned "in terms of fat loss/thermogenic capabilities". If you choose to take it pre-workout, then your concerns may have an effect. I, personally, do not take EC stack pre-workout.

[korexite]

Please note that I mentioned "in terms of fat loss/thermogenic capabilities". If you choose to take it pre-workout, then your concerns may have an effect. I, personally, do not take EC stack pre-workout.

why not? just wondering

[Shao-LiN]

I just don't feel the need to. I work out in the evenings and I usually have taken my 3x EC stack doses well before I work out. I don't really need it for energy as I actually do not feel any extra burst of energy from EC stack. I can pop it and go right to sleep, hehe.

[AKraut]

I find it hard to believe the amount of Guaifenesin in Vasopro has any muscle relaxing effects at all and certainly not to the point of increasing risk of injury during training. The only thing I've read about it is that it thins mucus in the lungs.

[jazer80]

i hope it doesn't, i only take ephedra w/ guaifenesin before the gym on max effort days

[Shao-LiN]

You're still alive, apparently.

[jazer80]

ya but i keep ripping muscles..

[aidano]

Interesting - I take Vasopro and had huge hamstring issues last year, kept pulling them on both my legs all season. I will have to read up on the possible issues, any links?

[jazer80]

really? damn, maybe i should be careful then

[jazer80]

Interesting - I take Vasopro and had huge hamstring issues last year, kept pulling them on both my legs all season. I will have to read up on the possible issues, any links?
do keep us posted

[korexite]

Interesting - I take Vasopro and had huge hamstring issues last year, kept pulling them on both my legs all season. I will have to read up on the possible issues, any links?

well its used in animals as a traquilizer and sedative, look on medline.