Just a question...

[Yaz]

If one were to cycle with Anavar/Cytomel/Clen, how does this look?

Clenbuterol 20mcg tab - Weeks 1-5

Day 1: 60mcg
Day 2: 80mcg
Day 3: 100mcg

* Maintain at 100.

Cytomel 50mcg tab - Weeks 1-5

Days 1-4: 25mcg
Days 5-9: 50mcg
* Maintain until Day 28, Taper to 25mcg until 35.

Anavar 10mg tab - Weeks 1-5

40mg/daily (50 if too much catabolism)

Ketotifen 1mg -

Weeks 1-2: 1 mg 2x daily
Weeks 3-4: Off
Week 5: 1mg 2x daily.

[Wizard]

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1)Anavar is ok at 40mg(maybe it's more than you need)but I doubt you will find the money to get it :D
2)cytomel cycle for 30days(don't do more)
Assuming u have the 50mcg tab:
Start with 1/4 pill which is 12,5mcg and do this:
12,5-12,5-12,5-12,5-25-25-25-25-37,5-37,5-37,5-37,5-50-50-50-50-37,5-37,5-37,5-37,5-25-25-25-25-25-12,5-12,5-12,5-12,5-12,5
If of course you wanna take the risk.
3)Clenbuterol/Ketotifen
Take 2mg of ketotifen for every pill of clen.You don't need too much clen because ketotifen enhances clen's action a lot and you don't need to cycle it as well.You could use it for 2-4weeks w/o a break.Start clen at 20mcg and go to a maximum of 80mg(you will fugure out what you can stand though).

[Maki Riddington]

Instead of anavar why not a injectable?

[Wizard]

1)Anavar has not any side effects or at least it's the "most safe roid".
2)Lack of experience.I would not start juicing with injectables.I'd choose taking pills.Some people hate syringes.(me too :D )

[Maki Riddington]

1)Anavar has not any side effects or at least it's the "most safe roid".

*** Primo?

2)Lack of experience.I would not start juicing with injectables.I'd choose taking pills.Some people hate syringes.(me too )

*** Thats why people should research so they can come up with a cycle that will be best suited for them. Inexperience shouldn't be the limiting factor whether a individual should take a pill or a injectable. There are numerous sites that explain how to inject properly.

I don't understand why people who talk about their dislikes of injecting use this as a excuse to use safer "drugs".

If youre gonna step over then don't do it half assed???

Just my thoughts....no flame intended.:)

[Wizard]

Primo...
At 300MG per week it's the safest injectable.I agree.
But again,it's injectable.
I do agree though that when you have taken the decision to start juicing,you must be ready and able to make injections.There are many steroids in pill form that are far more dangerous than any injectable.(Anadrol)
It's up to any user.

[kAto]

dont worry about getting catabolism with anavar at 40mg; it wont happen, even if you cut the dose in half you would still sustain anti-catabolism. hell if i were you, since Oxandrolone is currently very easy to obtain at an excellent price, i would take the anavar at 40mg in the am, then another 40mg in the pm, you will get amazing results. just remember that any does of Ox higher then 25- 30mg will slow your hormone production, it will never shut it down but it will slow it, so if you going this route i suggest some clomid after cycle. if you want to avoid this take 80mg all in the am, that way you htpa will have night time to recover; however for maximum gains, and fat loss, splitting the doseges is optimal, with the addition of clomid.

to tell you the truth the anavar itself would do... how lean do you ant to get anyways?

[Yaz]

So I was talking about Ketotifen to someone who has done some lab research on it...

- Not supposed to max out over 8mg/daily when taking it.

For the Cytomel, he suggested that I first see how my body reacts to a taper up to 25mcg. If I have desireable results, remain at that. So I'll give it a shot. I can always tweak the dosage accordingly. I think also, that taking the Anavar once in the day time will be good enough for my purposes (A little more fat loss, hardening of the muscle appearance...)

As for how lean I wanna get, I'm currently at 8%, and not losing a pound. I want to get it down to 6. 5 weeks should be more than enough time to do this.

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So my cycle sorta looks like this, right now...

Clen - Weeks 1-5

Day 1 - 60mcg
Day 2- 80 mcg
Day 3 - 100mcg (If my assumption is correct, I'll back down to 80.)

* Maintain

T3 - Weeks 1-5

Days 1-4: 12.5mcg
Days 5-9: 25mcg

* Maintain until Day 28, unless higher dosage is needed.
* If it's the case, I'll end up tapering down accordingly to the dosage I took.

Anavar - Weeks 1-5

30mg 1x/daily.

Ketotifen -

Weeks 1-2:

Taper up to maximum of 8mg, then back down a tab when sides hit (Lethargy, extremely tired...)

Weeks 3-4: Off

Week 5: Hit with dosage of Ketotifen from weeks 1-2

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[YatesNightBlade]

Anavar is not cheap and is often quite difficult to get hold of. But I agree it is the ideal choice for a first timer.

Only spend 4 weeks on clen. 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.

[kAto]

Originally posted by YatesNightBlade
Anavar is not cheap and is often quite difficult to get hold of. But I agree it is the ideal choice for a first timer.

Only spend 4 weeks on clen. 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.



****** 80/40mg tabs for $200.00 thats 3200mg of Ox for $200.00; possible a little underdosed but nevertheless ive heard good things about it.

generics******- also very cheap, infact if you know the right people the price is comparable to that of primo.

although this still seems somewhat pricey to some, considering the gains vs. side effects its well worth the $$, and then some.

[Wizard]

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I must inform you that cytomel exists
Btw,here(Greece) the drug's name is T3.
Cynomel is the generic name of T3 or Liiothryronine made by the brand "Unipharma".
In Usa it's sold as Cytomel.
In Mexico it's sold as Cynomel.
You should try to check your spelling.

[Yaz]

Yates, there's no need to cycle off Clen taking Ketotifen. It upregulates the beta 2 receptors.

[YatesNightBlade]

Ketotifen increases appatite. Is this what you want whilst trying to cut and im not sure how well Ketotifen works at upregulates the beta 2 receptor. Maybe you should do a two week on two off with ephedrine in the middle.

Ephedrine has some beta-1, alpha adrenergic receptor astimulation properties and beta-3 properties as well that would be beneficial.

But hey .... try it and let me know how you got on with the Ketotifen.

[Wizard]

I've tried it.It really increases appetite.The worst of all,was that I was feeling sleepy all the time.However it really works.Users have given a good feedback.

[the doc]

yaz = ripped mofo soon to be really be really ripped!

[Maki Riddington]

Oh hell ya!

[Tadger]

You may want to drop the anavar dosage and throw some winny in there. Get yourself some paperstrol hit 50mg/day to run with the anavar. It'll be cheaper and you'll get better results.